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Simply the greatest place I've worked at

Software Engineer
Former Employee
Worked at Apple for 2 years
October 6, 2015
Cupertino, California
4.0
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Pros

• Lots of accountability and responsibility given to the individual, with lots of trust from management. I was expecting the opposite before starting there, so that was a wonderful surprise.

• Entry salaries are fair, but from the stories I've seen around myself, if you get results, you get rewarded very quickly, and by a lot.

• Benefits are more than fair. I heard it's one of the best, if not the best, in the Valley.

• People. In my corner of things, there was very little politics, and everybody was here trying to simply do their best with each other. Really amazing work environment.

• They don't hire fanboys in engineering, so you get a really nice variety of mindsets.

• Diversity, while still at a disappointing Silicon-Valley-esque level, is much better than in other Silicon Valley companies, and you can feel that it's that way because they know that's how you get a really complementary workforce. The campus itself just "feels" great (even though a bit cramped in collective spaces like restaurants, but they're working on it!).

Cons

I minded:

  • No public stuff, no public speaking, no blogging, no open-source, no nothing (you're supposed to ask; and then you're told no). I know many, many people, probably among the strongest engineers I know, with a lot of open-source activity, who quit, refused an offer, or wouldn't even talk with Apple just for this reason. I do miss Apple, but I don't miss that bit; I enjoy every bit of public freedom now.

  • Every engineer must be in Sunnyvale or Cupertino. There's a strong anti-remote culture; the right to move away from the over-expensive Valley is only for veterans. They let you be very flexible with your time (you can take some days working remote, as long as it doesn't go against the current projects), but that doesn't solve the fact that you still have to live in an outrageously expensive corner of the US, and there's no other choice. On the other hand, it's kinda cool to say in the morning "oh, I wonder if that bit of the final product could change to accommodate what I'm doing," and to have lunch with the person in charge of it that same day (that happened to me a bunch of times).

I didn't mind:

  • "Work hard" culture. I didn't mind, but some people could. Definitely hard to maintain work-life balance if you're not careful.

  • Sure, there was no politics and fanboy-ness in my part of the company, but I hear it can be very different elsewhere in Apple, notably outside of engineering.

  • Engineering knowledge transmission is badly broken. Nothing is documented, and it's seen as a feature of innovation (I never bought it very much, but who am I to judge, so that's still fine with me). Problem is, in that case, you would expect a solid oral-explanation culture, but it's the opposite too; people expect you to figure things out with no oral explanation of anything. I've heard this numerous times from people everywhere in Apple, so this is not a local culture thing in my department; and as you would expect, a lot of time is wasted that way, either on trying to figure something out for days that could have been explained in 30 seconds, or achieving entire pieces of work that have already been done by other people before, but no one told you even if you asked. I eventually got around that by bugging people and asking them the same questions 10 times in 10 different ways; people were a little bit annoyed, but getting the knowledge made me far more efficient than other recent engineers in my department.

  • Not as "fun" as other Silicon Valley companies, where you find workplaces with crazy stuff, and every day is weird. Apple decides not to follow the "there's a slide in my office" trend by design, and I actually prefer it this way. But if you want a truly full-on Silicon Valley experience, Apple is much more "like other companies" in that regard.

Advice to Management

I understand why it's good to be careful with your employees' public activity, but maybe you've been a bit too far with it?

Except for that, congrats for a really wonderful work culture!

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