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Mid-Level Software Engineer at Taro Community2 days ago

I am curious if you proceed to the team matching stage after clearing HC & you have a call with the manager.

Overall questions:

  • Is it like an interview? Do you have prepare for it?
  • What is the manager evaluating here?
  • If a company only has one team for team matching & you don't like it, can you just wait for more time?

More specific situation:

  1. On levels.fyi, their Staff matches with other company's senior level. But it seems money-wise their staff-level is more. I am not sure how to match up levels here.
  2. Also wanted to ask, when do you negotiate the offer here before or after the team match?
  3. They seem to have only one team available right now. I am not fan of that work. But she said their maybe more one team in August. Does waiting for longer time hurt my chances?
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    Tech Lead @ Robinhood, Meta, Course Hero
    2 days ago

    Is it like an interview? Do you have prepare for it?

    Team match is usually a behavioral interview effectively (but not as intense as a standard one during the onsite), and it can get quite competitive. Google in particular is notorious for having a pool of candidates who have passed hiring committee that is way larger than the number of open roles. Many candidates who passed the interview for Google actually just drop out of contention as they're stuck in team match for 3+ months (this happened to my little brother).

    So yeah, you should prepare for these rounds. Understand the hiring manager and their team, and take the time to craft a compelling narrative about why you would be a good fit: Master The Behavioral Interview As A Software Engineer

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      Thoughtful Tarodactyl
      Taro Community
      a day ago

      Do you know if its hard to switch teams internally at google?

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      Tech Lead @ Robinhood, Meta, Course Hero
      a day ago

      Do you know if its hard to switch teams internally at google?

      Switching teams now in any company is just weird due to the economic climate, but I'm sure it'll be easier at Google compared to almost any other company in the industry. Historically, Meta and Google have had the best internal mobility cultures in all of Silicon Valley

      It also gets easier if you meet the following criteria:

      1. Have been on your team for a while (2+ years)
      2. Are a high performer
      3. Are L5+ (senior or above)
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    Tech Lead @ Robinhood, Meta, Course Hero
    2 days ago

    If a company only has one team for team matching & you don't like it, can you just wait for more time?

    You can, but you're taking a risk of staying in team matching hell, which I imagine is more likely given the current economy (too many good candidates, not enough jobs). If a team is semi-decent, I recommend joining. More thoughts here: "How to navigate through team matching with Meta?"

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      Mid-Level Software Engineer [OP]
      Taro Community
      2 days ago

      In my case, right now I am not in a hurry since I am waiting for an visa approval. So earliest I could move is in 2 months.

      For current economy, is it same for MLEs as well or just SWEs ? This is an MLE role.

      I am curious how does the offer negotiation work here? I could be in the team-matching for 1 to 1.5 months & get another offer to better negotiate in the end no?

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      Tech Lead @ Robinhood, Meta, Course Hero
      a day ago

      For current economy, is it same for MLEs as well or just SWEs ? This is an MLE role.

      I am curious how does the offer negotiation work here? I could be in the team-matching for 1 to 1.5 months & get another offer to better negotiate in the end no?

      I'm unsure. I would spin this out into separate questions on the forum personally to get more signal.

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    Tech Lead @ Robinhood, Meta, Course Hero
    2 days ago

    On levels.fyi, their Staff matches with other company's senior level. But it seems money-wise their staff-level is more. I am not sure how to match up levels here.

    Money is the main measuring stick I use as it's universal. At most companies, their Staff level makes around the same as Meta's mid-level (E4). Levels are just strings next to your name at the end of the day, so I don't think it's worth your time and mental energy trying to "match up" levels.

    Here's another good thread about this: "How should I think about levels when it comes to evaluating jobs and in my career overall?"

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      Mid-Level Software Engineer [OP]
      Taro Community
      2 days ago

      Thanks so much for sharing this! All this info is really helpful!

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    Tech Lead/Manager at Meta, Pinterest, Kosei
    8 hours ago

    If a company only has one team for team matching & you don't like it, can you just wait for more time?

    This is risky and depends on how much you care about this company + what your other options are. As I mentioned in this discussion about Meta team match, I strongly recommend accepting the first team match if possible.

    Most good companies will allow high-performing employees to switch between teams, but the hardest part is to get full-time employment in the company. The risk with waiting foe other teams is that (1) they may not materialize or (2) the market conditions may change and the company may freeze hiring.

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    Tech Lead/Manager at Meta, Pinterest, Kosei
    8 hours ago

    Also wanted to ask, when do you negotiate the offer here before or after the team match?

    Wait until after the team match. Negotiation should happen only when you've gotten a commitment from the company they want to hire you (see the explainer in my negotiation course: Negotiation Starts Now).

    If you negotiate aggressively during team match, I see very little upside, but a lot of downside in that you don't get matched.