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NYC vs. SF?

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Software Engineer at Taro Community3 months ago

I recently received an MLE offer from an FAANG company and have a choice between NYC location and San Jose area. I'm in mid 20s in michigan.

Priorities in order:

  1. Ability to make friends with other tech people, especially with a mutual interest in AI which I'm deeply passionate about. I find that i get along the most with people like here in the taro community
  2. Network with people working in top tier startups. My eventual goal is a research engineer/MLE/ML Scientist at a top tier AI startup/unicorn e.g. perplexity, eleven labs. I would like to be able to connect with other people in the startup scene and learn more about the work they do
  3. General active social life/ things to do/meet other people. NYC wins here undoubtedly but i am not sure what the social scene is in san jose
  4. Attend AI conferences/networking events. I would like to attend conferences like CES or any other top AI conferences.

If this was NYC vs SF. it would be a no brainer. But everyone i talk to tells me san jose is incredibly boring suburbia and not a fun place for early 20s. I'm worried I'll be missing out on a lot of stuff by choosing san jose, but NYC despite being less "tech focused" by the sheer volume will end up having the stuff I'm looking for

Bonus: I would ideally like to not have to move around. I hate having to start over with a new friend circle again. Maintaining deep friendships built over years is something I really value

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    Helpful Tarodactyl
    Taro Community
    3 months ago

    For 4 - neither would probably matter since conferences like neurips, ICML and ICLR happen all over the place. For example, for the past 3 years Neurips was in New Orleans, Vancouver and this year in San Diego. Also the fees are pretty expensive.

    For your bonus it's really hard to say. People move around the place all the time for their careers. While I understand it's not your main priority, I also wouldn't bank on your eventual friend group staying at the same place for years.

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      Software Engineer
      Taro Community
      3 months ago

      for 4. yes youre right. Let me rephrase. Not just Top AI conferences, but any AI/ML meetups in general organized by top companies

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    AI/ML Eng @ Series C startup
    3 months ago

    Having grown up in the Bay Area, San Jose does not equal SF. You'll be driving up 1 hour to SF, which is doable but very painful.

    Career

    The AI appeal is really nice, but you'll seriously have to hustle to even have a chance. The competition is pretty intense. Startup scene is cool but it can get old when people are talking about Claude in a nightclub at 1am.

    AI events are fun, there's a ton going on every day. They're okay for networking with fellow engineers. Founders usually speak at these events or work out of Shack15. It's not too hard to get a referral to Shack as of now, but that could change if they initiate a waitlist.

    Social Life

    I've been in a long-term relationship for 5 years, but my single friends tell me dating life is atrocious in SF/San Jose. The colloquial term for San Jose is "Man Jose".

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      Tech Lead @ Robinhood, Meta, Course Hero
      3 months ago

      I have also heard "Man Jose", and I've read way too many horror stories on the San Jose subreddit from women who were on on terrible dating experiences with awkward San Jose tech workers 🤣

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    Tech Lead/Manager at Meta, Pinterest, Kosei
    3 months ago

    This is tricky. I agree that for SF vs NYC, SF clearly wins in terms of being the AI capital and tech capital. But San Jose is pretty far from San Francisco, and the inertia to get up to SF ("the city") will be high if you're living in South Bay.

    How miserable would your life be if you lived in SF and commuted down to San Jose? Do you have to go in 5 days/week?

    Since you're mid-20s, I'm guessing you want to work closely and even become friends with your coworkers. NYC will be more likely to attract that kind of population, and there are plenty of hot startups as well.

    I'd choose based on:

    1. where there are more people you know
    2. understanding the culture (avg age) of each of the offices
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    Software Engineer
    Taro Community
    3 months ago

    Poll

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    Eng @ Taro
    3 months ago

    I probably wouldn't live in San Jose since it sounds like you are prioritizing social life. I would check out your company's shuttle route because they probably have stops in SF which bridge the gap between social life and work.

    I would probably not worry about 4 because you'll probably only go to conferences a few times a year.

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    Tech Lead @ Robinhood, Meta, Course Hero
    3 months ago

    But everyone i talk to tells me san jose is incredibly boring suburbia and not a fun place for early 20s.

    Apologies to folks in San Jose, but this is mostly true. San Jose does have a decent downtown centered around SJSU, but it's surprisingly car-centric and not very large. San Jose was literally built to be a city that's just suburban sprawl.

    San Jose was the original heart of Silicon Valley, but that crown has clearly gone to San Francisco over the past 15 years. If you are looking for a more innovative tech culture, vibrant social life, and more energy overall, SF clearly wins despite its many problems.

    For what it's worth, I lived in San Jose for 4 years and grew up in the Bay Area. I have never lived in SF and never wanted to. Despite this, I can say as objectively as I can that SF is the undeniable cultural and tech center of the Bay Area region.